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I built from scratch a Hydrogen and oxygen generator using perforated stainless steel panels a 5 gallon jug. Wire, a 57 ford coil and my 97 dodge neon. seeing all of the other companys that charge 500 to 1500 for there generators. i decided id come up with my own design. It works far better than anyother one i’ve ever seen. i dont know the rate at which it produces but wow its enough. I’m getting about 90 mpg. Currently looking in to running the car on only water no separator at all.
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Did you publish pictures and schematics of your HHO generator?
Does the 97 Dodge Neon have fuel injection? If so, how did you handle mixing the fuel with the HHO gas? Does the Neon have a computer? How does the computer handle the mixture. Was it quick to adapt, or did it take a while to “learn” the new mixture? Any concerns over rust, especially at the exhaust end (excess water vapor possibly damaging the catalytic converter)?
Sorry for all the questions, but I would like to modify my Honda Fit with an HHO generator, but I am concerned about damaging my new car.
It is a quick and easy change. i can send you or anyone else a copy of the cd free. just give me your email address. you can email me at joehagood@metalworksllc.com.
It works. its easy to build and cheap. i have to ask for shipping charges. but the info is free. different designs.. specs electronics …
Where’s the pics?
What? Free CD? Shipping charges? The too-good-to-be-true alarm went off in my mind. It sounds a little suspicious and familiar to me. Are you selling the hardware and using the CD as an advertising tool? Are you fishing for good email addresses? It’s been my experience that most people who are proud of their successful project would have a least pictures posted on the web, and usually a video as well. The domain of your email address looks a little odd to me too. I checked it out. BTW: data that fits on a CD can be easily posted for download, for free. No shipping charges needed.
It is not possible to run a car on water. Such a device is just a disguised perpetual motion machine.
Think of it. You start with cold water (water without energy). You separate the hydrogen and oxygen. Then you burn the hydrogen and oxygen and get steam. That’s water with energy.
The fact that this is a perpetual motion machine is shown if you recovered the steam and broke out the hydrogen again you would have a closed cycle where everything returns to its original state but energy is extracted.
So where is the energy coming from? From the battery. It takes energy to break a water molecule and this is exactly the amount that is released when the hydrogen is burned. That is, it is the same minus inevitable inefficiencies.
About every 10 years an inventor demonstrates such a car, always with the promise that when he tweaks it he will improve the efficiency to where water will become a fuel. Nope. As with all perpetual motion machines, that would take an efficiency over 100%.
I think the difference is referenced as some use of Tesla translation using a bifilar coil and PWM dc input. A Yahoo group is a public site for published information, some may want to start here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/
I think that this is a fantastic idea. I do agree with dhm, that too often these types of devices some how entice people to think that they are running their cars off of water, when really it is electricity that is providing the energy. That said, this type of device on a car would essentially make it act like a hybrid, as far as I can tell, which would provide a great increase in gas mileage anyways, as well as pave the way for other types of regenerative systems: the energy from applying the brakes could be used to create a combustible gas as well…. i dont really know though I just found out about this idea today and have been looking into it…thanks for the yahoo group link.
I have actually done this one myself and I have been working on tweeking it just right, cuz the one I have is being used on a back up power genorater that my family got a long time ago.
During my chemistry class in highschool, I did a project that used electrolisis to seperate the molecule’s of water, and found that there were two type’s of Hydrogen produced, one in abundance was Parahydrogen, a very combustable and powerful form of hydrogen, and Orthohydrogen, a less potent form of hydrogen, used to slow down the combustion of the parahydrgen molecule. I ended up getting in a lot of trouble because I used it to demonstrate it’s ability to burn hotter than an oxyacetalyne (not too sure on the spelling of that) torch. It Burned at 4500 degrees C, but my teacher pulled me aside after class and asked what other aplication’s I have tried with this little project, and he hinted at the possibility of maybe useing it as a catalyste in the combustion of fuel. I went home and began to build a slightly larger one and placed it into the intake valve of the generator we had. It took a little bit of tweaking because the first couple test’s puttered out the engine and bogged it down with water in the engine itself, adjusting the voltage used in the HHO generator to complete the electrolosis, I found that when it produced a higher amount of the parahydrogen it burned off most of the water vapor produced.
Most people would say that it’s a hoax and that it’s a waste of time due to the fact that it would be a “supposed” self perpetuating engine, when the simple matter of the fact is that most of the water vapor produced is pushed out of the engine as exhaust.
Sorry about that I got orthohydrogen and parahydrogen confused. It was the orthohydrogen that was created and abundance and was more volatile than parahydrogen
i have an hho generator and looking for more milage the best yet is 4 more per gallon on a 95 dodge ram 4×4 im impressed but i want 50 mpg i know i can do it but i need some help,
how much is your cd shipping, is pay pal ok.
can i use a/c 120 volts to produce hho via convertor, and does more plates equal more gas, does more baking soda equal more gas, or more voltage equal more gas
henc 120 volt convertor, plesae any help would be greatly appreciated,
thank you dave
Why do people try to sell these thing’s? they are easy to make and as for the schematic’s I will be posting them soon enough. The most efficient way to use these are on a 12V cicuit with some kind of catalyst in the water baking soda work ell but not the best I will be showing a few different kind’s when I get done with the schematic’s. and no “more plate’s” does not equal more gas nor does a higher voltage. just need to right anode and cathode with the right electrolyte in the water. stainless steel has been a good conductor but I am in search of some Tungsten Plates that I can form into the cylinders needed for the anode and cathode. It exhibit’s the best quality in electrolosis but it’s expensive.
Maybe you can post the link here so we can download a copy of the CD
Yea do post something so we can download right through the website. But dont’ forget to put your paypal link, so that we can contribute to your hard work on this and more hopefully projects to come. thanks again for great work.
1st of all. Info is free, i came across a the cd threw trade. people are spending 50 to 150 on this cd you can get it from water for fuel or some of the other sites but i didnt buy it and its not copy written so … plus you can search around the internet for all the info… AND IT DOES WORK… I’m not saying it replaces gas. there are mods needed to be done .. nothing permanent but some of it is higher IQ required… I dont personally follow the cd its more of a stepping stone… i produce 50% more hho with the set up i designed … at least 50% more. Instead of finessing the hho from the water i muscle it out… not neat and clean but it gets the job done… there is water vapor from the effect of the bubbles in the water…. not a steam generator like some have stated…
if some one wants to set up the site i’ll supply the information.
also working on a plasma arc generator motor… might need financing on that one.
cool
I knoiw estees makes a hydrogen rocket kit, you take distilled water and lemon juice and put in the seperator tank and it makes hydrogen gas, its not that hard of a concept to grasp, its just the art of molecule seperation and has been done for yrs, the government just don’t want it to be too popular cause its too hard to tax water? durrrr
this would be a great idea…. if it worked, or if it were even possible.
you cannot increase your gas mileage this way. hho is somewhere around 4000 btus at max, gasoline is 114,000 at base.
the power it takes to make enough HHO to burn is somewhere anywhere from 20-90 amps… your alternator is probably only 60-120, therefore the amount of energy your wasting to create this HHO is far more than what HHO is producing…. i could go into detail but it should be common sense. however, people are instantly brainwashed when someone says “gas mileage”. there is no “quick” gas mileage increase. keep your vehicle maintained, fill your gastank up all the way and run it all the way down (a little technique i use, less stops at a gas station = less stopping and going) acceleration is the devil of gas mileage, coasting is where you get better gas mileage.
Also.. you can push h2o2 threw a silver mesh screen to produce steam and oxygen. people use this to make rocket packs… what if this is just the first stage in a process… what can we do with that….
Hey, I would like to know if anyone got this CD.
wow thats funny. Brandon you almost sound like you know what your talking about… have you ever played with fire… light a small amount of gas and watch it burn… then take hho and watch it burn… its alot more intense. i’m not going to claim i know everything about this … i do know its not the heat thats released that matters its the rate of expansion. you get a bigger reaction from lighting a gas then you do lighting a liquid.
and to those that think more power isnt better… use a 9v battery then use a 12. tell me there’s no difference.
wow your design sounds amazing. Can you send me a pic of your design? My email is skaterBAC@aol.com. I’ve been researching alot online about HHO and i heard that by using perforated plates you produce more HHO and less heat. My old generator i built produced a good amount but after about 30 min it got really hot.
Thanks
joe hagood….sorry but did you read a thing i wrote… i was not disproving the fact that hho is flammable, i know it is, i have messed with it before… i simply said that the amount of energy to produce enough HHO for a vehicle to burn would be a total waste of energy…i.e. wasting more energy than you are producing…
and i am not saying you know nothing about the gas, but you should study about vehicles before sharing your uneducated thoughts with everyone.
joe, i said nowhere in there that the gas was not flammabmle, it is and i know that… what i said was that it is impossible to make enough HHO in a gasoline engine to actually increase gas mileage, especially to 90mpg in your car, we both know that is incorrect.
i know that many people think that this concept is new, but it is not… very far from it. people have been experimenting for years with salt assisted cars, hho and many other things. it has been proven time and time again that it takes more energy to assist a gas engine than it actually gives back.
plus, if this gas were what it was all cracked up to be, there would be someone by now who has created an engine to run completely on HHO, but there is not, because it cant be done.
do research, THEN you may share your uneducated thoughts.
at what point did i say 90 all alone the car originally got 30 + to begin with then i added a cold air intake a rear mounted turbo i also manually adjust the fuel mixture to lean in down to bare minimum of gas intake.which makes it a challenge when the boost kicks in but still fun. So 90 isnt that big a stretch. i’m not saying i took a 13mpg and turned it up to 90. I’m saying i to a high economy and made it alot better. yes this has been around forever and yes SOME people use salt.which is not only bad for your car it also produces toxins.
I’d rather see people doing small scale experiments and coming to there own conclusions. not some jrk ff trying to rip them off selling them stuff they shouldnt trust or having some nay sayer crying because they cant get it to work or have been ripped off by the big buisness side of it….
they work period. build one for your self and try it… dont get info from me if you dont want. i could care less. less work for me to do sending the cd’s out.
i just wanted to give people the oppertunity to try it with out buying these expensive kits or hlf ss plans.
it is hard to get a motor to run on hho only. its rough on the motor. It will eventually destroy the motor with out gas involved.
thats why i said im trying to figure out a way not trying to sell the answer… so if you disagree good for you i dont care
thanks
spec. joe
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Brandon if your just going to copy and paste old comments why bother. obviously your not interested so again pss ff no one said only hho. i have other mods that get me close to 90. there is a car in china that uses only water to run on. its hard to break oil dependency. but you keep up the efforts.
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joe… seriously… pay attention.. you said 90 mpg total, i dont care if that was an increase from 50mpg to 90mpg or 2mpg to 90mpg, that is bs.
salt can be used just fine, as long as no moisture comes in contact with it and the engine.
i have built one of these before, the test car was a 3cyl geo metro. the generator produced a good amount of HHO using 16-20 amps. the car was getting 40mpg before the generator and 32mpg afterwards….
i have been building and experimenting with engines for years now. and when i read your posts it makes me laugh. nothing you say makes any sense.
the only way to get better gas mileage in a modern car is to drive slower, and lighten your vehicle.
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Joe! Brandon! You guys rock! y’all arguing has been ten times more entertaining than anything i have ever read on this site! but… who won?
Brandon, don’t be a pessimist, good ideas and results come from those who believe. Joe, do more research and lets make it happin’ cap’in!
Brandon kicked Joe’s a** on this one. Joe i dont think your stupid but your idea’s sure are. Have a great day guys!
honestly joe, everytime you reply, you either make no sense or didnt read anything i typed. i am aware of the fact there are other cars that run only on water. they also weigh 10 times less than a normal car and have an engine made to do so.
as i was saying, it is impossible for your car to get anywhere near 90mpg out of a neon.
if you knew half of the bs you think you do, you would post proof…but you haven’t….
sorry that i paid attention in physics… hell you would’ve learned the equation for “gas mileage” had you paid attention.